David Sylvian - Manafon

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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Paperback Jack on Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:48 am

Slap my wrist if this is against the rules. It'll be all over other sites within a week anyway and I'll remove it if I've done wrong. Full page review with one of the official press shots of him sitting down. The rest of the issue is very good with Broadcast on the cover, a great Lou Reed Invisible Jukebox and (oops) a bloody great 'Manafon' ad on the inside cover. Anyway, here goes:

The pick-up group of elite improvisors might be new, but David Sylvian’s song remains the same, says Ian Penman

Manafon is the first time David Sylvian has seriously disappointed me in (gosh) 30 years – although, if it’s any consolation, it’s hardly due to any lack of ambition on his part. The portents feel great: if you thought 2003’s Blemish went out on a limb you ain’t heard nothing yet! Where the gorgeous, thorny, nonpareil Blemish had intermittent spiky/gooey interjections from Derek Bailey and Christian Fennesz, here Sylvian’s cherry-pick pick-up group includes players from AMM (Rowe, Tilbury) and Polwechsel (Dafeldecker, Moser, Stangl), and Evan Parker and Otomo Yoshihide and Sachiko M and more.

Sylvian’s such a convert to Improv there’s even a film for Manafon entitled Amplified Gesture, included on a special box set edition of the album, in which everyone but David talks about how they came to it and what it means and why they love it and what its challenges are. The bad news is: the back-seat absence of David from the film is unfortunately balanced out by his looming centre-stage presence on the CD. This is music that sounds as if it was made in two very discrete spaces: one for David, and one for everyone else. Which kinda begs the question: why bother with group improvisation as a new way to go for your Song, if you’re going to end up saying ‘Include me out!’, record your songs separately, and then just slap them over everyone else’s subtle breath-trace work?

The idea sounds great – a meeting of song and free texture – until you start to look deeper. If you’ve been singing a certain way for 35 years, how easy is it going to be to just jettison that and work in a different way?

(Answer: he doesn’t even try.) And is David Sylvian really the man for this particular go-with-your-messy-instincts job? (Answer: not on this evidence.) Like any kind of art practice you have to learn patience, sensitivity to temperature, moment, momentum and (here) the psychology of the people you play with. Sylvian appears to have plumped for Option B – taking the work of these elite players and recording his usual vocals over the top. Which could make you feel very cynical about the whole enterprise, and reignite accusations Sylvian’s faced in the past (unfairly, I’d say) about a certain boutiquey pick ’n’ mix attitude on his part towards sidemen. (And these are sidemen: it’s not like David Tibet, say, where it says: “On this album Current 93 are:...” and then a democratic list. This is A Work By David Sylvian.)

After listening the heck out of Manafon for three weeks, all I retain of its nine tracks, its dream list of free music luminaries, is exactly this: one dark arc moment of Evan Parker’s sax for ten to 15 seconds, and... and a lot of David Sylvian. His voice is mixed way up, but never for a second sounds – well, mixed up. It’s never for a moment part of the texture of the other players’ improvisations. So, having gone to the trouble of assembling all this free talent – to help evade old forms and investigate new vocabularies for your Song – why then alter your voice not a jot? The songs index various extreme moods (terror on the rather clunky “Random Acts Of Senseless Violence”; exile and exiled belief on “Small Metal Gods”, “The Greatest Living Englishman” and the title track; elsewhere, death and drugs and isolation), but the timbre and intonation of his voice just don’t change one whit from song to song.

Blemish, too, was experimental – but it was also human, warm. Manafon by comparison feels inert, half-realised; his vocals feel oddly clinical, detached, set in (s)tone. Singing, he never sounds like he was in the same timezone or mindset as anyone/everyone else; consequently no Group Mind ever catches fire here. Why get the best Improv players in the world – people who on average need a good 15 minutes to get going, as it were – and then but snip them off at two or five or ten minutes? There is one instrumental track here (“Department Of Dead Letters”), but given that it is only 2'26" – well, you see the problem. Things are barely allowed to get going before it snips shut.

All told, it has the opposite effect to what I assume Sylvian foresaw. Which is to say on most of the tracks here, you find yourself just longing for his voice not to come in again – you just want to hear how the hired help were that day, what the temperature was in the room, what jokes were cracked, whose head wasn’t on straight, who could hear the emerging light. (Or: why not just buy the new Polwechsel/Tilbury CD?) It just feels like Sylvian was the wrong man for this particular job: he can’t let go, fall into the flux, the mess, the particulate spill, the unfocused group sunrise and exploration, the same dirty water as everyone else, sweats mingling, unfamiliar salts on the tongue...

And maybe he knows it – as there’s a line here that could serve as canny autocritique: “And you balance things/Like you wouldn’t believe/When you should just/Let things be.” Or, to quote a favourite line from Welsh poet RS Thomas (subject of the title track): “The embryo music died in his throat.” Replace that ‘in’ with ‘by’ and you’ve got the whole story right there.


I've still not heard the whole album, so I can't comment on what Penman says. 'The Guardian' also ran a very short review with the same (lazy) Scott Walker parallels.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Paperback Jack on Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:50 am

I meant to say 'the usual (lazy) Scott Walker parallels'...
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Simonp on Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:10 am

thanks for posting that review Jack. As much as I love the album, i can't help feeling the reviewer is spot on with his review.The EAI artists are virtually redundant on the release. It kind of makes you wonder why he bothered working with them if his intention was to use them as distant background noise for his guitar and voice. Surely he could've made similar noises with his laptop?
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Paperback Jack on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:10 am

Funny, isn't it? We were bracing ourselves for this difficult maelstrom of an album...
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Simonp on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:21 am

Yes and the complete opposite arrived. Whilst its not the most commercial release of the year, I still think its far more accessable than Blemish.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby inkinthewell on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:33 am

Ian Penman wrote:Sylvian’s such a convert to Improv there’s even a film for Manafon entitled Amplified Gesture, included on a special box set edition of the album, in which everyone but David talks about how they came to it and what it means and why they love it and what its challenges are. The bad news is: the back-seat absence of David from the film is unfortunately balanced out by his looming centre-stage presence on the CD.

:lol:

I haven't yet heard Manafon, so I can't comment Penman's review. One thing is sure, though: unlike other reviewers (whose efforts have been posted and commented on this forum) he's not tearing Manafon apart just because it's "not like" this or that previous DS album or because it's "too much like" Blemish, and considering that some of the things he writes have already been reported by who's heard the record (and loves it, like Simon), there must be some truth in his words.
Anyway, the bit I quoted is fantastic!
And thank you, Jack.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby jon abbey on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:46 pm

Simonp wrote:When I heard that Keith Rowe was appearing on the album i was horrified


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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby qdes on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:48 pm

I haven't heard the album but the review seems a bit weird. The writer basically waited to hear more of the improvising artists but they had lesser role than he expected, and then he spends paragraph after paragraph complaining about it. Who knows, he might be right but I was expecting the review to be about the album itself.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Chet on Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:47 pm

very interesting review.
i kind of agree - even though I love the album.
and the fact that i would probably love an instrumental version of it as much.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Hawk on Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:10 pm

Hmm one of the most interesting reviews I've read for any album...thanks for posting it. From reading the Wire interview, I think Sylvian was well aware of the issue his voice may not 'fit' with the improv...and that by writing the lyrics separately it may take away some of the atmosphere from those sessions... It was something he had to deal with. But...I think...the whole thing would have been quite dull without those challenges. It's what makes it so complex. Also essentially it is a David Sylvian album...if he wanted it to be more 'collaborative' he would have probably come up with a different name, like he did with Rain Tree Crow. I think the idea of creating 'Amplified Gesture' alongside it was fantastic - I guess for those who really want a deeper look into the improv sessions without the edits on the finished album. But I can’t disagree with Penman. Even if I hear the album and feel differently, he seems to have taken a lot of care in his views.

Thinking about it from the perspective that David should have 'joined in' more with the recording sessions, and that he also should have sung, it must be incredibly difficult to sing or create good lyrics on the spur of the moment....it requires someone who's completely willing to let go and not afraid to sound stupid.........or a voice with no words....but....I don't think that would make Sylvian who he is.....which is weird....because....maybe it shows however much you try to let go of your 'self' or your identity (how can these things be set in stone when there is no truth no lies no right no wrong?) and however much you try to absorb the ways of others, there are still things that remain in you - as you - forever... like statues inside us…. Maybe that's more raw and obvious in his Manafon voice... sounds like he tried not to overwork it or cover up....

Am I agreeing or disagreeing here? Not sure….

Anyway I don’t know if Sylvian is similar here but I know when I am an artist I create my best things alone, completely alone, and I feel really edgy if I can’t at least put the last brushstroke on it by myself with space around me. And that's not a fault - it just makes me who I am. Speculating (I haven't heard the whole album yet), I think maybe for Manafon although each part is brilliant on its own (the voice versus the improv), and possibly expresses something different than when combined, it was never ‘complete’ as the album it was meant to be until David made the final edits...........

But perhaps....... it is a failing of mine to obsess over things being 'complete...' :|

Sorry this is really going off topic!! The review just got me thinking..... There is so much...so much to think about…

I am REALLY REALLY looking forward to Manafon. In fact, I'm probably even more anxious to hear it now - especially that "dark arc moment of Evan Parker’s sax!" :D EVERYTHING I think will be worth hearing. And once I have heard it, I want to read more reviews!! :-)
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby pradakid900 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:21 pm

Looks like it might be time for me to chime in here.

Yeah, glad to hear a fan of thirty years has written a formal review. First off, it sure is fun to see the controversy brewing over Manafon. The kid loves a good scandal, and I bet those who would think that Dave would not enjoy the disupte going on in his name might be mistaken (not that he would read this site, but someone else he knows could).

I've maybe a couple of other points to add, and these are just my personal feelings. As a person of the arts I can understand David's perspective myself. With Blemish he got some of the best reviews of his career and tapped into a more immediate form or writing, which produced emotionally impacted music which was also more of the avant garde flair, something far more respectable than the confines of pop. I'm sure the combination of these elements enthused and propelled Sylvian, so he wanted to concentrate in the same area to mine more gold so to speak. Just as Picasso did in his "blue" period, David is doing here - he's working in the same area, though within that area he in covering a vast amount of (musical, contextual) space. He's got on to something and wants to see it through, just like he has always done in albums and songs before. I'm for letting the man do his thing.

But there is some difference, and as a previous poster put, would you really want to hear David wailing out random vocals to a completely impromptu sound, of which no one was in total control (talk about inept and hald baked!)? Or would you rather hear a quickly yet still randomly developed vocal and lyric brought about as an immediate RESPONSE to the music? Lets give the guy a little moment to gestate so it can resonate. David is a very thoughtful person, and contemplation, even in the smallest degree, can help to create a all-important binding between the music and the vocal that ALL sylvian fans love. Also, rather than his own noodling accompaniment (as he did do so competantly on Blemish) Dave chose to up the score by enlisting some of the most respected noodlers around, playing them (as Sakamoto plays the orchestra), if you would, by giving the direction. Then Dave became the master sampler by editing the performances, then we have Dave the Remixer adding in the overdubs and whatever else. This is Dave the DJ here!!

This is a totally new way of working for Dave. Hello!? Have any reviewers missed that Dave always constructs the music, melody and lyrics together, as they come to him (barring his consignment work), but on this piece he, Controling Dave, has given musical responsibility completely over to others then formatted a response to this in the form of words and melody - separating these music creating elements which naturally occur to him simultaneously. As they say, God is in the details.

And last, we all have our own dream and fantasies of where David should go musically, so imagine all the different directions we would all want for him....it's because of that I am so glad he is directing himself. And what about that fantastic teaser, Jacqueline? What do you nay-sayers say to that? That's Sylvian saying "yes, of course I can do that, but right now I'd rather do this, so come with me." Is the cup half full or half empty? It's pretty full if you ask me. From one who is so looking forward to his delux copy of Manafon (holding my glass up), here's to you, Dave.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Hawk on Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:54 pm

Pradakid900 you write more intelligently than I do!! I agree with your point about control, that's very interesting.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Paperback Jack on Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:57 pm

Just wanted to quietly add that the Penman review has provoked a lot of very thoughtful and interesting commentary. I've really enjoyed reading the posts here today.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby jon abbey on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:04 pm

most people are going to approach Manafon from either a longtime Sylvian fan perspective or from a long familiarity with some or all of the backing musicians (the former group is obviously much larger and includes most posters here). Penman is the rare writer/listener who can approach it from both, so it's interesting to see his perspective.
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Re: David Sylvian - Manafon

Postby Adrian on Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:35 am

erm... most of these musicians's work is barely audible on their own cd's as well guys. It's not the Britney Spears Backing Band is it?
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